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Frances Fukuyama, author of the 2012 Lionel Gelber Prize longlisted book “The Origins of Political Order: From Prehuman Times to the French Revolution”, speaks with Robert Steiner, Director, Fellowships in Global Journalism at the Munk School of Global Affairs.